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Black_River_Joe
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« on: Oct 15th, 2006, 9:44am »
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....the old black river and western with all the old engines such as alco 57, 211, 204, 41,42,400,1554, 2-6-0 565,2-8-2 148?....pictures and info would help alot thanks
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 18th, 2006, 2:59pm »
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ok i figured out that 57 is in PA and belongs to another RR. 204 and 211 were scraped....41 was scraped the two steam engines were sold and i dont know anything about 400 or 1554

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 18th, 2006, 10:39pm »
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1554 rs-3 is in jim thorpe,PA
400 I think a GE 44 tonner,to valley railroad,ct


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« Reply #3 on: Oct 18th, 2006, 10:42pm »
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2-6-0 565 is at steamtown,pa
148 I was told being restored in colorado to service


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« Reply #4 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 9:04am »
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400 is an switcher type engine not a 44 ton

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 1:22pm »
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A GE 44 Tonner is a switcher,400 is a road number

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 1:34pm »
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See BR&W LINK
 
           http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr020.htm


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« Reply #7 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 3:06pm »
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Over the years the BRW had two locos numberd 400.  One was a 44-tonner the other was a SW1.
 
I don't belive that the BRW ever owned 148 thus when the owner wanted to move it to whiponey he did.
 
Joe, you did not mention #14 so I will, I don't think I ever saw this engine but I would love to take another Lionel 0-6-0T And repaint it. http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1770
http://www.geocities.com/brw148/brw14.jpg


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no i meant this engine... the SW1

http://Forums.Railfan.net/Images/BRW/brw400.jpg
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 27th, 2006, 4:11pm »
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 3:06pm, sgp__Rail_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Over the years the BRW had two locos numberd 400.  One was a 44-tonner the other was a SW1.
 
I don't belive that the BRW ever owned 148 thus when the owner wanted to move it to whiponey he did.
 
Joe, you did not mention #14 so I will, I don't think I ever saw this engine but I would love to take another Lionel 0-6-0T And repaint it. http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=1770
http://www.geocities.com/brw148/brw14.jpg

 
 
the 44 tonner was not 400, it was #7079.


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« Reply #10 on: Oct 27th, 2006, 4:14pm »
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They owned two 44-tonners? http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/5398/brw.htm go to that site and click on all time roster, this site has not been updated for a long time, but history never changes it just gets bigger.

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 27th, 2006, 7:07pm »
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Go here for pictures:  http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/5398/brw.htm

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on Oct 27th, 2006, 4:14pm, sgp__Rail_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
They owned two 44-tonners? http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/5398/brw.htm go to that site and click on all time roster, this site has not been updated for a long time, but history never changes it just gets bigger.

no they had the sw1 400 and then the 44 ton 7079


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« Reply #13 on: Nov 3rd, 2006, 1:33pm »
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I used to hang around the Black River a lot when I was young, waaaay back in the 70's, let me sort things out a little.
 
Yes, there were 2 diesels numbered 400.  
 
The first 400 was the 44-tonner.  It came from the Long Island RR.  It stayed until about 1970 and was sold to the Valley RR in CT.  The Valley renumbered it (I think something like 0800) and later painted it up like a New Haven engine.  I'm not sure if they still have it or not.
 
The second 400 was the  SW-1 as seen in the photo.  It came from Port Everglades Terminal Company in Florida.  The BR&W did not own this engine.  It was owned by Sam Freeman, who was a major BR&W shareholder (and for a while its General Manager).  The SW-1 hauled pretty much all of the BR&W's freight during 1970-73.  It stayed until about 1979.  Sam Freeman moved it to Ross Rowland's siding at Lebanon Station, NJ and Freeman sold it before he died (a few years later), to grain company out in the Midwest.
 
The BR&W had only ONE 44-tonner.  Many people think 7079 was a 44-tonner.  Actually 7079 was a bigger GE 65-tonner.  It was built in 1941 for the US Army.  The Army last used it at the Picatinny Arsenal in northern NJ.  It came to the BR&W in 1971.  It was not owned by the railroad.  7079 belonged to North Hunterdon High School!  The guy who was in charge of their vo-tech program was John Bishop, who was the president of the BR&W at the time (BTW, today's "Bishop" party coach is named for him).  The high school sent students from their diesel mechanic classes to the BR&W to get hands on training on working on 7079's 2 diesel engines.  After the high school stopped doing this, around 1978 or so, 7079 was bought by the Octoraro RR in PA.  They dropped the "707" and it became their #9.  They had it for quite a while, but I don't know where it is now.
 
The BR&W didn't own ether 0-6-0T 14 or 4-6-2 148.  14 was owned by George Hart, the former operator of the tourist train at Jim Thorpe, PA (before the R&N took over).  148 was owned by Sam Freeman, the man who owned the SW-1 400.  148 operated on the BR&W during 1971, 1972, and 1973.
 
When 148 left, ex-Washington Terminal ALCO RS-1 57 came over from the New Hope & Ivyland RR to work passenger trains and handle freight as well.
 
Also coming over from New Hope was PRR doodlebug 4666.  It was owned by Reading (later SEPTA) engineer Hugh Jenkins.  The BR&W bought the railcar from him around 1979.  4666 spent many years working the now-gone Ringoes-Lambertville passenger run under the care of "the Wayne and Norm team".  Norm's son Carl owns it now and is working on fixing it up.  Carl also now owns RS-1 57, which is stored in Quakertown, PA.
 
When the BR&W expanded its freight business in 1974 with the addition of the CNJ South Branch track, ALCO RS-3 diesel 1554 arrived under lease from the CNJ.  The 1554 arrived in plain CNJ green.  The lease called for the BR&W to repaint it into the CNJ's then-new red and white colors.  After the CNJ went into Conrail, the BR&W bought 1554 and repainted it into BR&W green.  The 1554 had a working steam generator (located under the short hood and used for passenger train heating) and this was put into RS-1 57 (57 was the railroad's "official passenger diesel") since it's steam generator didn't work.  1554 was sold to the Hawk Mountain Chapter, NRHS (I believe) in 1984.  They took it to Jim Thorpe, PA and restored it to its original CNJ paint scheme.  It was used on George Hart's tourist trains for a year or two, then died.  I believe 1554 is still at Jim Thorpe.
 
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 3rd, 2006, 7:48pm »
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thanks for the information...it really helps...but i still wonder where is 42 because 41 is scraped?

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on Nov 3rd, 2006, 1:33pm, pennsy643 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I used to hang around the Black River a lot when I was young, waaaay back in the 70's, let me sort things out a little.
where it is now.
 
The BR&W didn't own ether 0-6-0T 14 or 4-6-2 148.  14 was owned by George Hart, the former operator of the tourist train at Jim Thorpe, PA (before the R&N took over).  148 was owned by Sam Freeman, the man who owned the SW-1 400.  148 operated on the BR&W during 1971, 1972, and 1973.
 
When 148 left, ex-Washington Terminal ALCO RS-1 57 came over from the New Hope & Ivyland RR to work passenger trains and handle freight as well.
 
Also coming over from New Hope was PRR doodlebug 4666.  It was owned by Reading (later SEPTA) engineer Hugh Jenkins.  The BR&W bought the railcar from him around 1979.  4666 spent many years working the now-gone Ringoes-Lambertville passenger run under the care of "the Wayne and Norm team".  Norm's son Carl owns it now and is working on fixing it up.  Carl also now owns RS-1 57, which is stored in Quakertown, PA.
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Regards,
Jim Thorpe

 
What was 14 doing in Ringoes in the First place?


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« Reply #16 on: Nov 3rd, 2006, 8:33pm »
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who knows probably some fondation or something

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thanks for the information...it really helps...but i still wonder where is 42 because 41 is scraped?

 
 
I believe # 42 ended up on the Maryland and Delaware RR in Federalsburg, MD. I'll see if i can find a picture.


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« Reply #18 on: Nov 4th, 2006, 6:52am »
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thanks if you can please


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What was 14 doing in Ringoes in the First place?

 
 
Ex-Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal 0-6-0T 14 came to the BR&W as a back-up steam locomotive for 60.  She arrived in operating condition, under lease from George Hart's Rail tours Inc.  14 was tried out a few times on the Ringoes-Flemington tourist run, but she wasn't the ideal engine to run on the BR&W (limited water supply, limited steaming capacity, etc).  By the time 148 came along, 14 went into storage.
 
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