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L. F. LOREE 1403
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AMTRAK observation cars
 
« on: Oct 30th, 2015, 1:48pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
A few questions on these cars.........
 
1: How many did AMTRAK inherit in 1971?
 
2: When did the SILVER METEOR and the SILVER STAR lose their observations?
 
3: When were the last retired, and what trains were they then assigned to?
 
4: Approximately how many survive today?
 
5: I know AMTRAK must have been glad to be rid of the cars, as they had to be turned at each end of a run; were wyes or turntables used in this instance?
 
I thank you in advance for any and all input.....
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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Re: AMTRAK observation cars
 
« Reply #1 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 1:59pm »
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Here are a view vintage views of AMTRAK observations in service.
 
Just as I still cannot get used to caboose-less freights, I still think a "streamliner"/through train looks incomplete without one of those classic onservation cars bringing up the rear......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk9300cwa.jpg
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-o9251awp.jpg
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-o9250abp.jpg
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-o9626awp.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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Re: AMTRAK observation cars
 
« Reply #2 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 2:12pm »
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Just came across this page (w/photos)......
 
http://www.hebners.net/Amtrak/amtOBS.html
 
(courtesy: Amtrak Photo Archive)


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Re: AMTRAK observation cars
 
« Reply #3 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 9:32pm »
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Wayner seems to identify six round end observations off CB&Q (Silver Horizon, Silver Penthouse, Silver Solarium and Silver Lookout - all Budd Dome-Lounge-Sleeper-Obs off CZ);  Silver View and Silver Vista (1947 Budd cars, off Twin Zephyr - Dome-Parlor-Obs); and an un-named Dome=Parlor-Obs for Blue Bird (Budd, 1950).
 
Four Burlington flat-end Budd cars (Silver Terrace & Silver Tower, 1956 Dome-Parlor-Obs for Kansas City Zephyr) and a pair of Dome-Parlor-Buffet Lounge Observations (Silver Chateau and Silver Veranda, Budd, 1956 for Denver Zephyr). All in the 9250-9331 range for AMTRAK.
 
Also seven flat-end Tavern-Lounge Observations for the Champion, a round end Tavern Lounge Observation for Henry M. Flagler and six round end Tavern Lounge Observations off SAL from Budd in 1947. Plus an NYC Budd-built round-end Parlor-Obs converted to a coach (#3871) in 1973.  
 
I count 28?


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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Re: AMTRAK observation cars
 
« Reply #4 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:01pm »
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Clyde:
 
Great post; lots of good info on these once-commonplace cars....always appreciate your input....TY!
 
It would seem that virtually the only observation cars AMTRAK did not inherit were the two ex-DL&W/E-L tavern-lounges (#789/#790), built for the "PHOEBE SNOW"; as the "PHOEBE" made her last run in late 1966, nearly five years before AMTRAK, these would not have been cars that AMTRAK would have inherited.
 
After they were retired by the E-L, they were purchased by the LIRR for parlor car service; when they were retired for a second time, they were purchased by METRO-NORTH for use as inspection cars.
 
This is a capacity in which these famed cars still serve today (AFAIK), well over sixty years after they first entered service on the DL&W.........
 
"L.F.L."
 


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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Re: AMTRAK observation cars
 
« Reply #5 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:08pm »
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Holding down a mid-train position, we see #3338 on a chilly day at East Palestine, Ohio, in 1978.......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk03338cba.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:14pm »
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#3341 at Lakeland, Florida, 1975......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-o3341jpa.jpg
 
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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:20pm »
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A classic view of an ex-CB&Q dome-obs in 1975 (Fort Worth)......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-obs-abp.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:33pm »
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Cleburne, Texas, 1973.
 
In this misty, moody view we see a dome-obs in the company of some ex-SF power.......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-obs-bwp.jpg
 
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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 30th, 2015, 10:37pm »
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Another scene at Forth Worth, 1973.....
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-obs-awp.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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« Reply #10 on: Oct 31st, 2015, 7:40pm »
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3338 was FEC Lake Worth, then SAL 6606, then SCL5850 -a Tavern-Lounge-Observation built by Budd for Henry Flagler in 1939;
 
3341 was SAL 6601, then SCL 5841 - a Tavern-Lounge-Observation built by Budd in 1947;
 
That Dome-Observation crossing the Trinity at Fort Worth in 1975 just might have been the one we spent some time in on a trip from Temple to Chicago that year. Lone Star had 9251 Silver Penthouse on. We were in a bedroom in a Budd 10-6 (2712 Pine brook, ex-ATSF 1621 Pine brook) on that trip.
 


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 31st, 2015, 7:54pm »
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Cyde:
 
Appreciate the input!
 
Sadly, I never got to ride a "traditional" obs on AMTRAK; when I rode the SILVER METEOR from Newark to Orlando back in the summer of 1985, there was no longer an obs in the consist.
 
My closest "encounter" with a classic obs was at Penn Station, NY, 1963, when my late brother and his new bride were off to Miami on their honeymoon to Miami aboard the "METEOR"; I can STILL recall the feeling of awe I felt seeing that magnificent drumhead "up close"!
 
I WAS fortunate, however, to ride in a dome on the first leg of my eastbound trip home on the BROADWAY LIMITED, in July of 1985.
 
The full moon rising......the signals flashing by......the clickety-clack of the rails.......man, oh, man....I would not have traded that experience for the world!  
 
"L.F.L."


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on Oct 31st, 2015, 7:54pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Cyde:
 
Appreciate the input!
 
Sadly, I never got to ride a "traditional" obs on AMTRAK; when I rode the SILVER METEOR from Newark to Orlando back in the summer of 1985, there was no longer an obs in the consist.
 
My closest "encounter" with a classic obs was at Penn Station, NY, 1963, when my late brother and his new bride were off to Miami on their honeymoon to Miami aboard the "METEOR"; I can STILL recall the feeling of awe I felt seeing that magnificent drumhead "up close"!
 
I WAS fortunate, however, to ride in a dome on the first leg of my eastbound trip home on the BROADWAY LIMITED, in July of 1985.
 
The full moon rising......the signals flashing by......the clickety-clack of the rails.......man, oh, man....I would not have traded that experience for the world!  
 
"L.F.L."

 
A dome on the Broadway? WOW!.
 
That trip to Chicago (courtesy of Uncle Sam, I had to pay the difference between one in a roomette and two in a bedroom, seems like it wasn't a lot) was the only time I was ever in a dome on a moving train until we went to Grand Canyon a few years ago. Took one of the Grand Canyon RR package deals, and up-graded to a dome.  
 
Domes are great, and I think they should be re-introduced. Don't expect to see it happen, though.
 
Only trains I can recall that had a "real" obs in pre-AMTRAK days were ones we didn't ride, or if we did, weren't traveling first-class so we didn't get in them. Texas Special, Sunbeam, MAYBE Sam Houston Zephyr. Texas Chief never carried an observation.
 
Wife and I rode the Sunset El Paso to Houston in 1980. No Observation. No domes. Had a double bedroom in an ex-Santa Fe 11-BR car (rebuilt for the Super Chief in 1964 from P-S 24 duplex roomette car of 1948; we had bedroom D).


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