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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #60 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 11:03am »
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NEFAN/All:
 
See the following:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboliner
 
These trains (RTL's) made their final runs in 2003, and they were dispatched to the scrap heap in 2012
 
(The first generation Turbos were withdrawn from the Midwest in 1981)
 
Sad at least one of these sleek trains could not have been preserved.....
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #61 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 12:20pm »
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TURBOLINER portrait, 1977.......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-tub-abw.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)
 


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #62 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 12:26pm »
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"The Future Is Today" (1979).......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk163bm.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #63 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 12:34pm »
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In 1971, the "CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO" was indeed a "Rainbow Express"; here was a colorful string of now-historic cars, still proudly flying thier original "home flags"......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-CSanFra-dca.jpg
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-CSanFra-dcb.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #64 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 12:40pm »
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In this 1971 view, we see the "CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO" departing Chicago, while Train #18 is arriving.
 
Note the number of ex-PRR cars in the yards on the left.......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-chitrn-dcb.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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« Reply #65 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 1:31pm »
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Regarding the Turboliners - New York state was to rebuild their version' but it also never happened.

http://Forums.Railfan.net/Images/Amtrak/Amtrak_Turboliner_Cold_Springs_NY_112083_2.jpg
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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #66 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 1:48pm »
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NEFAN:
 
GREAT shot of a classic "Turbo"....TY for posting here.
 
This photo dates to 1979, when the Turbos were still operating Midwestern services.....
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-t0064dsa.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #67 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 1:54pm »
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In a timeless scene truly reminiscent of the Great Streamliner Era, we see the "CALIFORNIA ZEPHYR" backing to Union Station (1971).......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-denzep-dca.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)
 


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #68 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 2:00pm »
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On a dreary day in 1972, we see observation "SILVER SOLARIUM" standing in the yards, patiently awaiting her next run.
 
Observation cars such as this truly personified the "Great Streamliner Era" in America......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk-silsol-dca.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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« Reply #69 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 7:37pm »
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on Oct 12th, 2015, 9:36pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clyde:
 
You are a LUCKY man, indeed, my friend, to have experienced that trip!
 
1960's-era photos at Dearborn show a still busy facility through the middle decade; however, when most mail traffic was lost after 1967, and REA was fast evaporating, these losses were becoming more and more evident in the photos at Dearborn taken during that period.
 
When the last trains pulled out of the station in 1971, on the eve of AMTRAK, the station and yards, devoid of head-end cars and US MAIL trailers, already had a desolate, ghostly quality.
 
The last E-L trains to and from Hoboken ("THE LAKE CITIES") had expired in January, 1970, a little more than a year before AMTRAK began operating our nation's remaining intercity trains.
 
A long and colorful era in rail travel was ending, and the New Order was just beginning to enter the stage as the curtains slowly rose.....
 
"L.F.L."

 
Lucky? Oh yeah, though I did have to do some planning. Had orders to go on active duty as a newly commissioned Ordnance 2LT, and was traveling commercial. Got my tickets via the transportation section at the recruiting station in - the Santa Fe Building in downtown Dallas. Had to pay the difference between lower (uncle paid for that) and roomette (cheapest sleeper service in those days, no more open-section sleepers). Boarded at Dallas Union Station on the Dallas Section (sleeper, chair car and - I think - baggage car). Switched onto the main section out of Houston through Fort Worth at Gainesville. It was a neat trip. Santa Fe all the way, classic fine treatment. I can't say the same standards existed on the Pennsy.  


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #70 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 7:43pm »
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Clyde:
 
It seems so ironic, that, by the the time of the PC merger in 1968, that much of the Pennsy's once enviable passenger services had so greatly declined in quality, from what it had been a decade earlier.
 
I have read less-than-flattering accounts of dirty equipment, surly, indifferent train staff, and of malfunctioning heating and air conditioning; of course, this sad state of affairs only worsened further during the PC years.
 
Something had to give......
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #71 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 8:58pm »
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A resplendent ex-BN diner, glinting in the Chicago sun, 1972......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/bn-d0150dca.jpg
 
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« Reply #72 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 9:35pm »
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on Oct 14th, 2015, 7:43pm, L. F. LOREE 1403 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clyde:
 
It seems so ironic, that, by the the time of the PC merger in 1968, that much of the Pennsy's once enviable passenger services had so greatly declined in quality, from what it had been a decade earlier.
 
I have read less-than-flattering accounts of dirty equipment, surly, indifferent train staff, and of malfunctioning heating and air conditioning; of course, this sad state of affairs only worsened further during the PC years.
 
Something had to give......
 
"L.F.L."

 
I can assure you that tales of unclean equipment and surly staff with indifferent service (though I got decent service, if not to Santa Fe standards in the twin-unit diner out of Chicago) on that era's PENNSY were true. At least the AC and heating worked (mainly heat - this was April, 1966). Now breakfast was - awful. Automat car instead of diner. And very late into Baltimore.


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #73 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 11:04pm »
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Clyde:
 
A perfect example, if you will, of "How The Mighty Hath Fallen".
 
The following is from "BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD", by Kirk Reynolds and Dave Oroszi:
 
".......despite ongoing losses in the late 1960's, the B&O resisted downgrading its passenger service to a status of "miserable", was was the case with railroads such as the Penn Central......"
 
"......although some of its great trains had indeed evolved into one-car affairs, the B&O at least kept its equipment clean, its trains on time, and the service courteous....."
 
".......the 'CAPITOL LIMITED', in particular, was maintained to high service levels right up until the end, offering comfortable sleeping cars and quality dining and lounge options....."
 
IMHO, all this truly comes as no surprise at all, as for many decades, the B&O was widely known for its high quality of passenger service.
 
So many valuable lessons could have been learned from the past....
 
"L.F.L."


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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #74 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 11:12pm »
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Former IC coaches at rest, 1972.........
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/ic-CoaYd-dca.jpg
 
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« Reply #75 on: Oct 14th, 2015, 11:35pm »
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Five years prior to the dawn of the AMTRAK era (1966), we see B&O heavyweight RPO #76 sunning itself at Chicago.
 
By the AMTRAK era, only one RPO route would be running between New York and Washington DC (which would be discontinued in 1977); by the late 60's, there was more than a surplus of retired RPO's from many roads, but AMTRAK would have had no need for them, with virtually all RPO contacts being cancelled in 1967.
 
This handsome car is a magnificent example of the once-commonplace heavyweight RPO......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-rp076jpa.jpg
 
(courtesy: fallenflags.org)


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« Reply #76 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 11:21am »
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Ex-PC lounge #4435 and sister cars being serviced at Chicago, 1971.
 
For the "eastern" cars of that time, these units appear to be in more or less decent shape.......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/pc-L4435dca.jpg
 
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L. F. LOREE 1403
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« Reply #77 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 7:09pm »
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Three railroads are here represented in this 1972 photo, taken at the former MILWAUKEE passenger yards.....
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/milw-coayd-dca.jpg
 
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« Reply #78 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 7:16pm »
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Still every inch a classic SF dome-lounge, this ex-SF car is seen in the consist of AMTRAK #16, back in 1972.
 
(note ex-PC/PRR cars in background)
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/atsf-domlgn-dca.jpg
 
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« Reply #79 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 7:38pm »
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on Oct 14th, 2015, 1:31pm, NEFAN wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Regarding the Turboliners - New York state was to rebuild their version' but it also never happened.

 
Actually, three of the trainsets were indeed rebuilt into RTL-III specifications.  That includes the power car in your picture, which was first renumbered to 2143 from 163 so as to make room for the P42 engines which started at #1 and ran up to #207.
 
The remaining sets were in various stages of conversion when the entire project was stopped because the first two rebuilt sets had too many problems and the power cars/engines remained mega fuel guzzlers.  
 
All of the cars still in NY at the Super Steel plant at the time the project was stopped in the summer of 2004 were sold for scrap in 2013.  The three completed trainsets were moved to Amtrak's Bear, DE Shops were they remain today in dead storage.


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