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NEC NOSTALGIA: WHERE HAVE ALL THE YEARS GONE?
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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #60 on: Feb 13th, 2013, 3:56pm »
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on Feb 13th, 2013, 12:22pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here's a classic "G" image taken at Edison, in 1967.
 
Even at this late date, REA express traffic was still quite substantial as can be seen here......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr4865akg.jpg
 
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HFM - All -  
 
Absent detailed notes about the move shown, a reasonable speculation is the Photo depicts an Express and Bulk Mail schedule.  
In the era, P R R ran very heavy volumes of the traffic.
 
The point is completely missed by less experienced observers of the scenes of the days. These movements Passenger Dept.  
work, and company Accounting reported it in the manner. Or, there was much more to Passenger service than riders in Coaches  
and Sleepers!
 
..........................Vern..........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #61 on: Feb 13th, 2013, 4:03pm »
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HFM - All -  
 
Absent detailed notes about the move shown, a reasonable speculation is the Photo depicts an Express and Bulk Mail schedule.  
In the era, P R R ran very heavy volumes of the traffic.
 
The point is completely missed by less experienced observers of the scenes of the days. These movements Passenger Dept.  
work, and company Accounting reported it in the manner. Or, there was much more to Passenger service than riders in Coaches  
and Sleepers!
 
..........................Vern..........................

 
Vern:
 
Exactly!
 
".....much more to passenger service than coaches and sleepers....."
 
Man, if I don't already know that!
 
Through a good chunk of of the 60's (as if you need to be told!) the E-L was a prime example of this; on so many through runs out of Hoboken, head-end cars far outnumbered the passenger-carrying vehicles!
 
My memories of PRR schedules dashing ascross the Jersey meadows also recalls such lengthy and fascinating consists....small wonder WHY so many passenger trains across the nation bit the dust, when the mail traffic was lost, and REA prepared to exit the scene......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #62 on: Feb 13th, 2013, 4:47pm »
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This 1964 photo (location unknown) is an outstanding portrait which solidly exemplifies the tough, rugged, beefy construction of the GG-1.
 
Again, I truly feel that no other engine has ever symbolized "The Corridor" as has the late, great "G"......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr4918.jpg
 
(photo courtesy of FallenFlags.org)


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« Reply #63 on: Feb 13th, 2013, 5:02pm »
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A "G"-hauled train lumbering past the Harrison PATH station (note commuters waiting on the platform)
 
A post-Aldene CNJ commuter train can be seen in the distance.
 
Again, so many of us took such timeless scenes for granted, when it was all still so commonplace......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?22246
 
(photo courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #64 on: Feb 14th, 2013, 8:08am »
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HFM - All -  
 
Yes, indeed! Quite aware you are familiar with how it actually worked. Recalling Arlo Gurthrie, who wrote and performed:
 
Riding on the City Of New Orleans
Illinois Central, Monday morning rail
Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders
Three Conductors; twenty-five sacks of mail

 
Also: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/arlo+guthrie/city+of+new+orleans_20178738.html
 
The point being? Aren't the new, "Gen X" "green kids" in fancy suits and MBA degrees just a bit tiresome, with this nonsense  
there is no net money in Passenger Work? So, and they are so original and fresh in their thinking, they urge better to just  
emulate the rolling money pits of Europe! Why do it that way? Who gets to pay for all the largesse and foolishness?
 
Moral? Styled, and credit to the late Niccolo Machiavelli of Florence (Italy) who may have remarked: An inept Prince  
can so muck up Transport Policy, so that any Vendors and Purveyors to his Court find it impossible to make any  
net money out of any of it.
(The saps do it for the prestige?)...
 
......................Vern..................
 
 
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #65 on: Feb 14th, 2013, 11:14am »
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Vern:
 
Just think of the untold amounts of FedBux that went into designing and building the ACELA network!
 
Better to have used that cash to improve existing infrastructure!
 
The NEC, once upon a time, was all quite basic.
 
Sure, the GG-1's could zip along at great speeds and be here and gone in a flash, but these were locomotives BUILT to OPERATE over EXISTING trackage!
 
It wasn't a "building from the ground up" enterprise as was the ACELA!
 
Recall, for all the gala hoopla and great expectations for the future, the original METROLINER multiple-unit concept quickly faded away into oblivion
 
Again, it was "back to basics" with trying improve CONVENTIONAL services!
 
Far too much money wasted on frivilous projects, IMHO.......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #66 on: Feb 14th, 2013, 4:43pm »
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Plentry of "pigs" to be hauled along "The Corridor", back in 1975......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49795
 
(photo courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #67 on: Feb 14th, 2013, 4:49pm »
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"G's" in action, 1975.......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49793
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49794
 
(photos courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #68 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 8:35am »
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on Feb 14th, 2013, 4:49pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"G's" in action, 1975.......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49793    

HFM - All -  
 
In this view, here's the SLUMBERCOACH, again! It would take someone with a solid collection of T/Ts in AMTK  
Era to note precisely which "city pair" served. (BOS - WAS?)
 
There weren't all that many SLUMBERCOACH Cars ever in service. Chances are, the ones seen in these views  
may have come in from Western Lines, upon formation of AMTK?
 
...............Vern...........


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on Feb 14th, 2013, 4:43pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Plentry of "pigs" to be hauled along "The Corridor", back in 1975......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49795
 
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HFM - All -  
 
The view, of course, displays a TRUC-TRAIN schedule, roots in earlier P R R. Heavy volumes between South Kearny, NJ  
- Akron/Cleveland area, Chicago. These trains carried large volumes of over the road motor carrier trailers, too! (Recall the  
1955 Calendar from Grif Teller. Depicted favored motor carrier and forwarder clients of the Line.)
 
You may wish to post the Calendar view here. Seems to me, we located this on a 'Net site, some time back.)
 
......................Vern................


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« Reply #70 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 10:56am »
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Vern:
 
Yes, I recall that old calendar....it's been awhile!
 
I have to try to dig this one out of my files!
 
In the meantime, came across this page; the links provide some detailed data on TRUC-TRAIN operations, equipment, etc.
 
Much of interest, here........
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://pennsyrr.com/operations/freight-operations/tructrain-operations
 


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A GG-1 to the rescue:  
 
Towing a UAC Turbo Train through the South Norwalk, CT station.
 
I took this photo on the warm and humid afternoon of 01 August 1973.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #72 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 9:44pm »
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TB_Diamond:
 
MANY THANKS for sharing this rare and most UNUSUAL view!
 
It really does my heart good to see "the old tried 'n true" coming to the rescue of a "newfangled" machine!
 
EXCELLENT photo......thanks for sharing!
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #73 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 9:57pm »
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Two photos taken at New Haven of the new TurboTrain, back in 1970......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nh/nh-turbo-brf.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nh/nh-turbo-arf.jpg
 
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« Reply #74 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 10:06pm »
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See also:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAC_TurboTrain


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« Reply #75 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 10:16pm »
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A detailed historical page on the UAC TurboTrain; photos, data, etc.
 
This modernistic trainset once operated between New York and Boston, utilizing third rail (a la NH's FL9's) when entering Manhattan
 
When the bottom was falling out of the passenger train market in the late 60's, even the slightest bit of hope for the future of rail passenger travel was heralded by much gala publicity and glitz.
 
How foolishly naive we were, once upon a time............
 
http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/Turbo_Train.php


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« Reply #76 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 10:29pm »
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The original multiple-unit METROLINERS were yet another classic example of "clutching at short straws", in trying to revive rail passenger travel in the late 60's.
 
Though sleek and handsome, it cannot be said that these futuristic electrics were smashing successes, by any stretch of the imagination; it comes as no surprise that neither the bankrupt P-C (nor AMTRAK) ever ordered more of the type.
 
In later years, many cars were de-motored, and converted into locomotive-hauled cars.......
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Metroliner


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« Reply #77 on: Feb 15th, 2013, 10:37pm »
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Westbound METROLINER passing through Harrison, NJ, just outside of Newark, 1972.
 
Note the last two cars are now sporting the new AMTRAK colors.........
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?36701
 
(photo courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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"REINCARNATION", 2010.......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?112880
 
(photo courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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« Reply #79 on: Feb 16th, 2013, 10:59am »
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RED, WHITE, & BLUE" (1976)......
 
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49773
 
(photo courtesy of nycsubway.org)


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