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« Reply #420 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 12:50pm »
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has the group looked for another location yet?

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« Reply #421 on: Jan 2nd, 2012, 10:31pm »
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on Dec 27th, 2011, 12:50pm, 69boss429 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
has the group looked for another location yet?

 
 
Everyone who knows me knows my feelings on this subject.  However, I have said in the past and I'll say it again, try coming to Mount Holly.
The station is vacant and for sale.  The yard or what's left of it is unused.
My feeling is, that our town council will have a different view of the Trust than that of Pemberton's mayor.


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« Reply #422 on: Feb 5th, 2012, 11:19am »
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According to the article in the Inquirer, the trust is looking to buy the Mt Holly station but it is a purchase and the trust doesn't have the money to buy it so they are looking for donations. Now if the owner would decide to donate the station to the trust, it would be a huge step forward.
 
And from what I've heard, there are so many businesses and people in Mt Holly that want the trust, as compared to Pemberton whose mayor is blind to what the trust offers to the township. And the history that will be lost is a crime.
 
I looked at the building and the railbed and it looks like the trains would fit there real nice. And the "trestle" really doesn't look like a trestle anymore and I am wondering if the ground that washed out could be refilled and the trail widened enough to lay rail and still keep the hiking trail.  
 
It offers a lot of possibilities. And if you look at old maps, you will see that there used to be a small yard across the street complete with a turntable and roundhouse.  
 
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« Reply #423 on: Feb 12th, 2012, 2:01pm »
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The owner of the train station died suddenly about 1 month ago.]The trestle is still there, the Pennsylvania illegally filled the trestle in about 45 years ago.  The track was only pulled up from in front of the station about 1 year ago.  The Trust could hook into the not so active track on the other side of the street.  We are excited about the Trust coming, we've been lobbying the Trust since this action by Pemberton's mayor.
Mt. Holly still has the crane from the old round house.


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« Reply #424 on: Mar 24th, 2012, 2:57pm »
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So is anything moving forward Ed?

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« Reply #425 on: May 30th, 2012, 2:11pm »
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on Mar 24th, 2012, 2:57pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So is anything moving forward Ed?

 
Apparently not. Hope the equipment has not been cut up.


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« Reply #426 on: Aug 10th, 2012, 3:16pm »
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I am sorry that I did not answer sooner, but I totally forgot about this site until today.
 
The trust tried to get the money to buy Mt. Holly but fell way short. The trust did make a presentation to a judge in the county who heard an argument from the township solicitor on one point and one point only and, surprise, ruled in the township's favor. By doing so she kept herself in the good graces of the county freeholders but now she can say she ruled on the one point, keeping herself in good stead of the people. This is known as playing both sides. The trust has appealed the decision to the state. This is supposed to be reviewed in it's entirety by three judges and could take up to six months to accomplish.  
 
To date, nothing has been cut up. The township did take all of our good ties and a lot of our metal and made retaining walls in the streets dept yard. This is in violation of the EPA since in the state of NJ you cannot use ties for landscaping since the rain will leach chemicals out of the wood into the ground. And this area is next to the wetlands. Again the mayor is thumbing his nose at all authority. They then dumped the rest of the ties on the trail. Remember they were bundled nicely beside the trail. They also moved the barrels of nuts, bolts, spikes and other assorted metal up front. These are being stolen a little at a time.
 
So in closing, the council did nothing to help us. They could at any time pass a resolution to put the original lease back into full effect and bring this mess to an end. Only one member has stood up in our defense and that member is Rick Prichard. He is running in November and should be re-elected because he heard the outcry of the taxpayers to keep the museum. Just what he was elected to do, serve the people. Sherry and Diane should be thrown out. Both are more concerned with other things than the museum and did not heed the voters calls to keep the musuem. They have their own agenda and should be removed from office.
 
Remember that in all of the council meetings, many different people spoke on behalf of the museum. Only one person is against the trust. Yet the council knuckled under to that one person, the mayor.
 
But there is another problem. With the station being closed, the gift shop, and their primary source of income, is shut off. But the bills still flow in. So if anybody wants to make a tax deductible deduction, send it to:
 
PTHT
PO Box 1647
Browns Mills, NJ, 08015
 
And get out and vote for Rick and against Diane and Sherry.
 
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« Reply #427 on: Oct 20th, 2012, 10:08am »
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Our 14th annual train show is November 17th at the Pemberton Township High School at 148 Arney's Mount Road, Pemberton, NJ, 08068. 6' tables are $15.00 each. Admission is $4.00, children under 10 are free. Show hours are 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM. To reserve a table call 609-784-8721 or email pthtrust@comcast.net.
 
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« Reply #428 on: Oct 26th, 2012, 12:15am »
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Our 14th annual train show is November 17th at the Pemberton Township High School at 148 Arney's Mount Road, Pemberton, NJ, 08068. 6' tables are $15.00 each. Admission is $4.00, children under 10 are free. Show hours are 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM. To reserve a table call 609-784-8721 or email pthtrust@comcast.net.
 
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We will love going to it as always Ed.


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« Reply #429 on: Oct 27th, 2012, 9:46am »
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See you there!
 
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« Reply #430 on: Jan 21st, 2013, 9:17pm »
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The ties the township absconded with - did they build a retaining wall at the municipal builidng? If so, might it be on land they took from the Army?

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« Reply #431 on: Feb 9th, 2013, 10:46am »
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Yes, they did use them as well as the 100+ year old timbers from the coal dock to build retaining walls around their stone, gravel, salt, etc piles in the public works yard. It is not land they got from the Army. (I think you have confused the county land with the Army.) The problem is that in the state of NJ, you are not allowed to use RR ties for landscape ties because of the chemicals they use in them. And these retaining walls are only 20-30 feet from the wetlands. But as we all know by now, there are those in the township government that are above the law. Who says it doesn't hurt to have friends in high places. They took all of the ties and brought back what they didn't want and the cut-offs of what they did use and just dumped them on the trail. They also brought all of the cans of spikes, nuts and bolts up from where they were stored on the trail and put them next to the sidewalk that runs up to Wawa. Many of those contain a lot less than when they were moved.
 
They also have dumped waste and junk cars on the county land. But again with a friend in the county, they get away with a lot.  
 
Sad, very sad.
 
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« Reply #432 on: Feb 11th, 2013, 1:25pm »
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WHOOPS! At our meeting on Sunday, I mentioned your comment about the Army ground and I stand corrected. The ground to the right of the township building is indeed Army ground. It seems the township cleared the undergrowth and is using it to park the police vehicles on. No one can say for sure whether the Army gave them permission to do so. But since they have ignored so many other government agencies, it stands to reason they would ignore the Army if they asked them to vacate the property.
 
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« Reply #433 on: Mar 7th, 2013, 12:12am »
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So if this is all correct Edward, then it stands to reason that perhaps the Trust should contact local television stations and broadcast what has transpired.  You guys have had just about everything taken from you, what have you got to loose now?

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« Reply #434 on: Mar 7th, 2013, 5:03pm »
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One of the philly channels did come out and interview Mike about 6 weeks ago. They didn't give him much time and then they went up to Wawa and interviewed a few people, most of whom said the "junk" ought to be removed.  
 
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« Reply #435 on: Apr 28th, 2013, 1:07pm »
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For the one or two people who read this, we have moved the 35 barrels of tie plates out of the grounds to a secure location. We are trying to get a truck to move the rails out and then the ties. But where to move them to is a mystery. The museum is about half empty with several storage facilities donating space or giving us a special rate. The rolling stock will have to wait until we buy the Mt. Holly station before we can move them. But we are up against a deadline to do something with them imposed by the judge who in order not to lose face, will not rescind her order even in the face of all of the outpouring of support from any and all historic organizations in the state and the mayor of Mt. Holly.  
 
And some of us were thinking that we would have lots of room to put the cars and move them around. WRONG! The only negotiations with CSAO is the get permission to use the railbed beside the station, not the old rail yard.  
 
On the positive side, the new township administrator has turned out to be a pretty decent guy. He has given us access to the property now for two solid weeks.  
 
And we still do not have the money to buy the station nor does Mt. Holly. The heirs (all three) will not donate it to us because they see dollar signs. The county will not chip in so at this point we are in the moving mode to get as much stuff in secure off site locations.
 
Feel free to stop out any Saturday to help out.
 
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« Reply #436 on: Jun 1st, 2013, 10:21am »
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We are out of the station. It is empty.
 
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« Reply #437 on: Jun 2nd, 2013, 12:46am »
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What happened with the railcars?


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« Reply #438 on: Jun 18th, 2013, 3:00pm »
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Nothing.................yet.
 
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« Reply #439 on: Jun 19th, 2013, 4:26pm »
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The following summary is offered regarding disbursement of full scale railroad equipment at Pemberton.  Information provided herein is obtained from copies just received from the court appointed Receiver.
 
Initial bids received as a result of the April 1st inspection of equipment were reported by the Receiver to the Court in mid May, 2013, with copies provided to legal counsel for each interested party.
 
A Notice of Motion by the Receiver Seeking the Approval for Bids Received and other matters dated June 14th, 2013, was submitted to the Court with copies sent to interested parties and counsel.  Many of the bids were accompanied with voluminous material regarding why the bidders wished to obtain the railroad equipment and property.  
 
In a nutshell, I understand that after careful consideration the Receiver recommends the following equipment be offered to the following bidders under conditions listed in the Motion:
 
Georges Creek Railroad PS 1 Boxcar, wooden shanty, wooden waiting shanty (two items) and metal bumper post.
 
New Hope & Ivyland Railway LVRR hopper car
 
Pennsy Railway Restorations, Inc. N6 Frame and trucks
 
Morristown & Erie Railway 85 pieces of loose rail, 5 switch frogs & points, 2 freight trucks with steel wheels sets, other miscellaneous track materials, and all cross ties.
 
Red Lion Metals the 100 ton and 45 ton locomotives, the gondola, the flat car, the tank car and remaining wheel sets, all to be scrapped on-site.
 
In addition, the Motion also calls attention to material in the station that was on loan from Donna Stone.
 
From a separate Notice of Motion by the Receiver, I understand that the deadline for cross motions is no later than June 28, 2013, and the deadline for further reply to any cross motions is no later than July 8, 2013.   I also understand that the deadline for any additional bids is no later than June 26, 2013.  Finally, I understand that the Receiver will apply to the Court on July 12, 2013 at 11:00-hours or as soon thereafter as counsel may be heard.
 
Details related to the bids are extensive and provided in the Motion.    
 


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