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Eddie M.
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« Reply #120 on: Nov 16th, 2006, 11:14pm »
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Ed,
     Did the hearing go off with the respect to the poor weather we've been experiencing?
 
on Nov 14th, 2006, 2:27pm, Mr._Ed wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Wawa has another zoning hearing tomorrow night at the Pemberton Township municipal building at 7:00 PM. It will be interesting to see how this turns out since the people that really wanted them in the township lost their bids for election last week.  
 
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« Reply #121 on: Nov 17th, 2006, 10:17am »
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I don't know if it did or not. I'll be up there tomorrow for our train show at the high school so I'll get an update.
 
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« Reply #122 on: Nov 18th, 2006, 8:09pm »
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Ed,
     I drove on over to the train show with my wife.  Nice show.  We looked for you and the Pemberton Historic Trust.  We found the head of the trust there.  Nice man.  I talked with him for awhile and bought a couple of books.  He said that you were over at the Museum.  We ventured over saw all the work you guys are doing.  No Mr. Ed though, just a Chevy pick-up.
    Mr. Tamn said that there will be another meeting on Tuesday in regards with the WAWA bull crap.  
South Jersey Railfans,
    Not for nothing, but those of you who live close the Pemberton should strike out and attend this meeting.  
 
on Nov 17th, 2006, 10:17am, Mr._Ed wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I don't know if it did or not. I'll be up there tomorrow for our train show at the high school so I'll get an update.
 
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« Reply #123 on: Nov 19th, 2006, 12:48pm »
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I hung around until 1 O'clock sorting through the cases of paint and stains that someone gave us a year or so ago. Have to keep the standing to a minimum for a while.
 
Yea, it would be very helpful for residents to come out and support the station in the zoning hearings. But Wawa's plan is to keep postponing the meetings to kill any resistance from residents. What would be nice is if the zoning board would find against them if they do not bring evrything to the meeting to put this issue to bed.
 
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« Reply #124 on: Nov 26th, 2006, 10:34am »
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The Pemberton Township zoning board gave approval to Wawa to build their super store on the site of the old PRR rail yard. Another piece of history will be destroyed. Rateables over history all the time!  
 
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« Reply #125 on: Nov 26th, 2006, 6:40pm »
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Well you can't win them all. It happens sometime . Just hope the museum turns out alright, even if you can't get the authenticity we were all hoping for.

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« Reply #126 on: Nov 27th, 2006, 11:16am »
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The loss of the historic significance hurts but the loss of working space is a big slap in the face as well. Our station is bulging at the seams with only about 20% of our artifacts on display. And we get more weekly from residents. The former pre-fab housing manufacturing building was going to be the museum.  
 
And as I stated here earlier, this is the last yard from the C&BC railroad, the predecessor of the PRR. The other three are long gone.
 
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« Reply #127 on: Nov 28th, 2006, 9:55pm »
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So there will be two gas stations along side of each other on that narrow two lane road.
How many Super wawa's do we need?  Obviously the Pemberton Zoning Board is filled with short  sighted ignaramouses.
"Hey let's go to Pemberton so we can see the Super wawa Johnny said to his dad."
"That will be fine son."  "Then we can sit on line smell all of that wonderful gasoline from our non English speaking illegal immigrant gas station attendant!"
They are a bunch of stupid, stupid b-stards!


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« Reply #128 on: Nov 29th, 2006, 11:57am »
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As I understand it, the Gasco filling station will be removed.  What they will do with THAT property has not yet been revealed, but we all know that underground petrol tanks require lots of permits to be dug up.  Maybe I am the stupid one.  Having a super WAWA on the present site of both "mini" WAWA and the Gasco presents much easier access/egress from both Ft Dix and Arneys Mount Rds.  That intersection can get pretty crowded when the day shift from the bases let out and when school starts/ends.  So drivers will have to wait in the station first for a break onto Arneys Mount Rd, and again to get on Ft Dix Rd.  More wasted fuel and added pollution.  If we add a traffic light, more taxpayer money and more time spent at idle.  I must be missing something.
BTW, the present gas station and its predecessor were owned and operated by locals, though I dont know if Gasco is a franchise.
 
Yes, and I missed the board meeting with its constant rescheduling.


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« Reply #129 on: Dec 1st, 2006, 1:50pm »
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Now while I do not have this information first hand, it comes from reliable sources.
 
Way back when Wawa first decided they wanted to buy the old rail yard to put in a super wawa, the local zoning ordinance wouldn't allow two gas stations within 1500 feet of each other. They went for a variance so the current Gasco and the super wawa can coexist. That final variance was given last week.  
 
It is rumored that the owner of the Gasco contacted wawa twice about selling his station to them but they never responded.
 
Our volunteer engineer finally got a copy of what the wawa plan would look like at the yard property. He laid that in on their existing property including the Gasco property. It fit there with more surrounding space and had the added advantage, as you stated, to have center turn lanes from both roads which would improve traffic flow.
 
The zoning board still gave approval with the excuse that their decision will result in an addition property available to improve and produce rateables.
 
One of our arguments was traffic congestion which according to any traffic engineer is dead last on the list of reaons why not to build something. There are those who forecast that people will die in traffic accidents at this intersection due to the additional congestion. Add to that the fact that many many school buses use these two roads morning and afternoon, and it will  only be a matter of time until a student is killed in a traffic accident. The county traffic engineer is not happy with the plan but there really isn't much the county or state can or will do.
 
There are still environmental issues that need to be addressed such as the wetlands at the rear of the property and the creek back there as well. These are in danger of pollution if their undergroung tanks should begin to leak. Then there is the mile and a half of ies that are still in the ground that would need to be disposed of. Several shows on RFDTVs Trains and Locomotives have made the comment that railroa ties cannot be burned or buried due to the chemicals that were used to treat them. They must be left on the ground at the site where they are located. Some have told me that wawa will have them sent to the incinerator.
 
Attempted discussions with wawa have proved fruitless. They are who they are and they feel they are above all others and they can do what ever they want to and if you do not like it, they will just sue you until you have no more funds and drop the case or agree with them.
 
Sad, really sad!
 
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« Reply #130 on: Dec 1st, 2006, 2:13pm »
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Learn more about WAWA from this link: http://www.wawa.com/wawaprofile/pro-whatsname.asp
They are a very strong company as Ed mentions with a great deal of asstes at their hands.


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« Reply #131 on: Dec 2nd, 2006, 7:19pm »
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I was at the station today for our annual hayride, today and tomorrow 10-3, and learned that wawa plans to have the super traffic stopper open by the end of next year.  
 
At the zoning hearing, a resident got up to protest the approval and he was told by a board member to sit down because nothing he was going to say was going to change their minds. Sounds like they have a good reason not to listen to any protesters. Wonder what that could be?
 
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« Reply #132 on: Dec 2nd, 2006, 9:00pm »
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       Hmmmmmm........what could that reason be??  hmmm......  Could it be possible that perhaps WaWa slipped a few items of American currency into the pockets of our "good and honest" board members?   Nahhhhhhhh not in New Jersey.  -Chris


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« Reply #133 on: Dec 3rd, 2006, 10:26am »
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Now Chris. Maybe the zoning board is really looking out for the well being of the tax payers. And maybe reindeer really do fly, and the Easter Bunny is real.
 
On a separate subject. What do you think the possibilty would be of lightening up your organization of one of those little locos in the woods? I seem to recall that one is from a gravel pit and the other is from a sand pit that used to be in NJ. I would guess from their size that they are gas engines rather than diesels although Bhudda (?) used to make a real fine little diesel a long time ago.
 
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« Reply #134 on: Dec 3rd, 2006, 8:36pm »
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Mr. Ed
 
 
    I`ll do some more research on those engines for ya, I know they are all 2 footers. Like you said though, I`m pretty sure they are gasoline engines and came from sand pits in the area. They may have come from Nixon gravel and sand, which is where our 3 foot Plymouth #5 came from, but dont hold me to that. I shall find out though.  As far as parting with them, unfortunatley thats really not my call. I just replace ties and drive spikes and machine parts if you catch my drift. But I`ll throw the idea out on your behalf. Take care-     Chris p.s.- i WILL scrape that tank car down sometime before im 30yrs old i promise  haha.


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« Reply #135 on: Dec 4th, 2006, 4:01pm »
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Thanks Chris, I appreciate it.  
 
My spiking days are over after shoulder surgery last month due to, you got it, spiking rail in May! Ah. To be thirty again.
 
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« Reply #136 on: Dec 4th, 2006, 8:44pm »
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   Actually I`m 20, which gives me 10 yrs on the tank car thing. hahaha.  Im sure I wont be spiking anymore in a few years if I keep going at this rate. The day you do it it isnt bad. but the next morning.......
      BTW, do you own the ROW going towards Mount Holly, or is that the township? Would be cool to someday see an excursion train go down the old RoW. Take care    -Chris


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« Reply #137 on: Dec 6th, 2006, 1:55pm »
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That is all under the federal Rails to Trails program but we have permission to put down a single rail to run excursions which we want to do someday. We have 1.5 miles of rail and everything to lay them except for ties. And we have some of those that are being donated to us but we have no way, or anyone young enough, to get them or musle them onto truck.  
 
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« Reply #138 on: Dec 6th, 2006, 6:57pm »
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What's wrong with Karl  
On a separate note, I had a dream or 12 of the Pemberton line being re-activiated from the boro to Mt. Holly.  Too bad those were dreams.
Hey Ed, why in the blazes did the 206 overpass get removed in '87?
Was it Conrail or the state that removed it?


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« Reply #139 on: Dec 6th, 2006, 8:06pm »
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The casino buses to/from Atlantic City couldn't clear it, and for some it was cheaper for them to take 206 vs the Parkway.  So my guess is the State.

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