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andrealuigi
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« on: Feb 4th, 2006, 5:18am »
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Hi there,
 
I hope you can help me finding some picture of the first UP turbine, UP 50, produced by Alco in 1948.
It is an interesting engine because it is one of the verey few double cab locomotives produced in North America.
I will use the pictures for a historical report on our web site.
On the net i found only this picture.
 
Thank you for any help.


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RDG484
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 4th, 2006, 6:12pm »
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This may have been originally the Great Northern W-1 electric that was rebuilt as a turbine.  I know they both look similar.

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SSW9389
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 6th, 2006, 1:23pm »
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Although UP Turbine #50 looks like an ALCO, it was actually built by and owned by General Electric. The FA styling that is evident on this locomotive is the work of GE. It was also done by Industrial Designer Ray Patten of GE. ALCO and GE were in partnership on Diesel-Electirc locomotives from 1940-1953, but the turbines were solely the work of GE. Sorry Andrea no ALCO here.  

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« Reply #3 on: Feb 6th, 2006, 1:30pm »
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The W-1 electrics were built by GE in June 1947. One of the W-1 carbodies was used in UP's 1962 Coal Turbine experimental unit #80.  
 
on Feb 4th, 2006, 6:12pm, RDG484 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This may have been originally the Great Northern W-1 electric that was rebuilt as a turbine.  I know they both look similar.



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on Feb 6th, 2006, 1:30pm, SSW9389 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The W-1 electrics were built by GE in June 1947. One of the W-1 carbodies was used in UP's 1962 Coal Turbine experimental unit #80.  
 

 
Thanks for the info.  The unit pictured, though, looks A LOT like the former W-1.


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andrealuigi
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 10th, 2006, 1:36pm »
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Sorry to be here... Mybe under UP could be a better thread.
The few info I have spaek about a ALCO/GE.
Some way to find a picture of W1?
And of UP50? Some bibliographical reference?
Thank you for all info.


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« Reply #6 on: Feb 10th, 2006, 1:53pm »
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There is a page on UP #50 in the Second Diesel Spotter's Guide. There was a great article in Classic Trains not too long ago that should have some information about UP #50. There are photos of GN W1 in Line's West and online check George Elwood's Fallen Flags and Ben Ringwalda's GN site.  
 
on Feb 10th, 2006, 1:36pm, andrealuigi wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sorry to be here... Mybe under UP could be a better thread.
The few info I have spaek about a ALCO/GE.
Some way to find a picture of W1?
And of UP50? Some bibliographical reference?
Thank you for all info.



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Ok UP fans, what loco is this turbine is.


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« Reply #8 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 6:34am »
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on Feb 10th, 2006, 3:46pm, silver_champion wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ok UP fans, what loco is this turbine is.
A better question would be what turbine is this 1/2 of?.  GE built 30 massive 8500hp C-C+C-C turbines from 1958-1961.  Numbered 1-30, UP started traded them in on U50Cs in 1969 and the last one operated in December of that year.  See page GE-206 of The Second Diesel Spotter's Guide by Pinkepank.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 8:30am »
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The Big Blow Turbines, UP #1-30 were set up in three sections. The control cab had the operating controls, a small Cooper-Bessemer diesel engine for hostling moves, starting the turbine and excitation of the dynamic brake. The second unit actually held the turbine engine. And lastly there was a fuel tender to satisfy the turbines appetite for fuel.    
 
Do we need a GE Forum?


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« Reply #10 on: Feb 12th, 2006, 12:51pm »
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Hi All,
 
As the man said, the Big Blows could pass everything but a fuel station. Real fuel guzzlers, even at idle.  
 
It was mentioned that these giants got around the engine yard using a small diesel. They also required great care in starting the Turbine. Many an engine explosion and fire resulted from not starting the Turbine properly. Pentrex has a videotape showing a Turbine backfiring, and flames shooting out of the Turbine. Have fire extinguisher, will travel.


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« Reply #11 on: May 29th, 2007, 8:18pm »
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on Feb 10th, 2006, 1:36pm, andrealuigi wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sorry to be here... Mybe under UP could be a better thread.
The few info I have spaek about a ALCO/GE.
Some way to find a picture of W1?
And of UP50? Some bibliographical reference?
Thank you for all info.
I know this is old but I came across an interesting article on this locomotive in the July, 1949 issue of Trains written by David P. Morgan.  It included a couple of photos of the locomotive as #101 in an Alco/GE paint scheme and a side elevation drawing.  He billed it as "the first, the original domestic gas turbine locomotive"
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Re: Turbine Alco UP50
 
« Reply #12 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 12:04pm »
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Hi Folks,
 
Just stumbled onto this section or forum. I, too, never saw much of anything UP except some freight cars in my part of West Virginia! As for photos, if you can find one of the 1969 Railroad Model Craftsman copies (June or July?) they had a great article about "monster" engines--I really don't remember the title after all these years. Anyway, the article did have a run-down of UP's turbines and had a photo or two of the double-ended one mentioned in this thread. One of the captions on one of the photos mentioned that these turbines were " . . . fired on everything from 'Bunker C' to propane, [these units] now burn . . . diesel fuel." If you ever ran across any Bunker C you would be glad there was a use for it, as burning for heat production was about all that glop was good for!


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